Tuesday, October 6, 2015

Day 3 - Synod 2015

Today, I made my three-minute intervention at the Synod. It connects to numbers 29 and 30 of the Instrumentum Laboris, the working document of the Synod. It deals with the issue of violence against women, and what the Church should do to demonstrate that it considers women as full partners in ministry.

Unfortunately, I haven't had time to translate it into English, but this article from Catholic News Service pretty well sums it up:

By Carol Glatz

VATICAN CITY — Canadian Archbishop Paul-Andre Durocher of Gatineau, Quebec, said the synod should reflect on the possibility of allowing for female deacons as it seeks ways to open up more opportunities for women in Church life.

Where possible, qualified women should be given higher positions and decision-making authority within Church structures and new opportunities in ministry, he told Catholic News Service Tuesday.

Discussing a number of proposals he offered the synod fathers to think about, he said, "I think we should really start looking seriously at the possibility of ordaining women deacons because the diaconate in the Church’s tradition has been defined as not being ordered toward priesthood but toward ministry."

Currently, the Catholic Church permits only men to be ordained as deacons. Deacons can preach and preside at baptisms, funerals, and weddings, but may not celebrate Mass or hear confessions.

Speaking to participants at the Synod of Bishops on the family Oct. 6, Durocher said he dedicated his three-minute speech to the role of women in the Church — one of the many themes highlighted in the synod’s working document.

The working document, which is guiding the first three weeks of the synod’s discussions, proposed giving women greater responsibility in the Church, particularly through involving them in "the decision-making process, their participation — not simply in a formal way — in the governing of some institutions; and their involvement in the formation of ordained ministers.

Durocher, who recently ended his term as president of the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops, told CNS that much of his brief talk was focused on the lingering problem of violence against women, including domestic violence. He said the World Health Organization estimates that 30 percent of women worldwide experience violence by their partner.

He reminded the synod fathers that in the apostolic exhortation "Familiaris Consortio" in 1981, St. John Paul II basically told the Church that "we have to make a concerted and clear effort to make sure that there is no more degradation of women in our world, particularly in marriage. And I said, ‘Well, here we are 30 years later and we’re still facing these kinds of numbers.’"

He said he recommended one thing they could do to address this problem was, "as a synod, clearly state that you cannot justify the domination of men over women — certainly not violence — through biblical interpretation," particularly incorrect interpretations of St. Paul’s call for women to be submissive to their husbands.

In his presentation, the archbishop also noted that Pope Benedict XVI had talked about the question of new ministries for women in the Church. "It’s a just question to ask. Shouldn’t we be opening up new venues for ministry of women in the Church?" he said.

In addition to the possibility of allowing for women deacons, he said he also proposed that women be hired for "decision-making jobs" that could be opened to women in the Roman Curia, diocesan chanceries, and large-scale Church initiatives and events.

Another thing, he said, "would be to look at the possibility of allowing married couples — men and women, who have been properly trained and accompanied — to speak during Sunday homilies so that they can testify, give witness to the relationship between God’s word and their own marriage life, and their own life as families."

32 comments:

  1. Perhaps you should change the name of this to Sit down and Shut up. Frankly, we would have been better off except now you've clearly drawn the line and we can all see what you are. A disgrace.

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  2. Perhaps you should change the name of this to Sit down and Shut up. Frankly, we would have been better off except now you've clearly drawn the line and we can all see what you are. A disgrace.

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  3. Really, ceci passe complètement à côté des préoccupations des catholiques. This is about *the family*. The sacrament of Orders is for men only. And while we can talk about other ministries for women, what does this have to do with the family?

    By all mean, let's try to help families who live in difficult and possibly sinful situations. But let's not forget the call to repentance. The bishop's number one job is to save souls by bringing them to Christ. While mercy is a balm that can help people come closer to Christ, it really must be preached in tandem with repentance. The Catholic's job is to conform to Revelation. We seem to forget that holiness only happens if we conform to it. We bend ourselves backward trying to make accommodations to gays and people who live in objectively sinful situations, when most of them are poorly catechized, uninterested in practicing and a lot of them what they seek is for the Church to change its message to conform to their situation. That's not how it works. I really appreciate what Pope Francis is trying to do-- go to the periphery and bringing the message of mercy.Poorly catechized Catholics are a kind of periphery and they need the honey of mercy, but we can't stop and being good to them, we have to preach Revelation or else what the heck is the point of the Church? And the point of the Church is not to smack down on people. But being faithful to Christ and the Church is how to find joy. That's what we should be preaching. And I don't hear it from a *lot* of clergy, and I wish the clergy were clearer. Yes, mercy by all means, a softer touch, but one that is always accompanied by God's Revelation and path to happiness.

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  4. Women deacons? Really your Grace? and which hat have you pulled that out from?
    This can never be, just as there should be no altar girls ! Are you grooming young girls to have a hope of becoming a deacon or even a priest in the future? There is no place for a woman at the altar, never !Pope Paul VI in 1970 when he wrote;
    In conformity with norms traditional in the Church, women (single, married, religious), whether in churches,
    homes convents, schools, or institutions for women, are barred from serving the priest at the altar.
    Pope St. John Paul II repeated it:
    There are, of course, various roles that women can perform in the liturgical assembly: these include reading of the
    Word of God and proclaiming the intentions of the Prayer of the Faithful. Women are not, however, permitted to
    act as altar servers.,
    Jesus chose 12 male Apostles. All of the teachings of the Faith were given to us as a Church by Christ and the apostles by way of Scripture and Sacred Tradition.
    Any woman who is truly feminine and realizes the natural beautiful difference between man and woman, will not strive to become 'anything a man can do I can do better' that is not possible and is defying God's will for us. God made them man and woman for a reason, there is a natural difference, a unique difference and when every man and woman can accept this will of God for their design, then there will be no problem with St. Paul's writings. After Baptism we become children of God, the dignity of a child of God, is bestowed equally on a man and woman.
    Being submissive to your husband simply means allowing him to be the man God wants him to be. Any woman that is in a secure, loving, God-centered marriage has no problem with this statement. It's not about dominance of one over the other, its about the acceptance of each individual unique role within their marriage. 30 years later dear bishop, contraception is leading degradation of women in marriages. Contraception which the Bishops in Canada approved according to 'one's good conscience'. This is degradation as one or the other spouse becomes a victim of passion and lust. Contraception reduces the gift of sexuality within the marital bond to a lust. No mutual respect, no patience, no love can be fostered or nurtured with the use of contraceptives. You bishops have caused the greatest degradation of women in marriage through your acceptance of contraception (Winnipeg statement) and capitulation on abortion.

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  5. Thank you, Bishop, for your intervention. I hope your suggestion is well received. Women were deacons in the early church. That much is part of our history and has been, unfortunately forgotten or swept under the rug.

    I can see this fitting into the family very well. It is women who bring their children to church most faithfully. If you loose the mothers there's a good chance you loose the children.That is happening now, Also I know that when married men study for the deaconate, their wife study every bit as much as the men do. They also have to make big commitments to their husband's ministry.

    Again, thank-you - Merci

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    1. Women were not deacons in the early church if you mean admitted to Holy Orders. The Greek word simply means "servant." There were women who assisted with the catechetical instruction and Baptism of women. Remember that adults were fully submersed for Baptism and they probably weren't fully clothed! Hence the need for female servants of the Church to assist the women. The Church recognizes that deaconesses were "appointed" for special tasks but not "ordained" for sacramental ministry in the strict sense. They were part of the laity, not the clergy. 1 Timothy 3:12 "Let deacons be the HUSBAND of one wife, and let them manage their children and their household well." Do you think Saint Paul was talking about lesbian marriage??

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  6. Thank You Bishop. I pray that the Synod will seriously consider your intervention. Fr. Bob MacDonald

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  7. While the diaconate is directed towards ministry, it must not be forgotten that it is also one of the grades of the priesthood, and it is therefore difficult to see diaconate and priesthood separately. If we want to discuss bigger roles for women in the Church (or for the laity in general), we must detach responsibility from ordination. With that I mean that many in the Church (clergy and laity) still see ordination as the highest goal, as the only way in which a person really matters in the Church. That is of course not true.

    Female deacons is a difficult subject. If we assume that only men can be priests because Christ only appointed men as apostles, can we do differenly when talking about deacons? Is there irrefutable evidence of the excistence of female deacons (as we know deacons today) in the early Church or time of Christ?

    In the meantime, thanks for sharing your experiences at the Synod!

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  8. There were no female deacons. This is a lie. They were the wives of deacons and they assisted adult naked women into the baptistry!

    Fools!

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  9. The title "deaconess" would be confusing because it would transmit the message that women can be priests, which of course, is against the Faith. And isn't the suggestion of making women deaconesses a form of clericalism, this need to make people priests or priest-like to have the authority to do anything?

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    1. One of the goals of VII was to democratize the Church. Pretty soon we'll all be voting on doctrine like the prostestants.

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    2. There's nothing in Vatican II about democratizing the Church.

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  10. Hello Bishop,
    Please, acquaint yourself (it seems that you have not done so yet) with the work of a beautiful and wise woman, Erin Pizzey, who has devoted her life to the service of families - women, MEN and children. I suggest that violence against women has often been discussed in complete separation from violence against men. Women who dare to speak about violence against men and children, as perpetrated by women are vilified and persecuted, to the point of having to flee their home and country. Feminism and gender ideology rule over us, imposed on all by the UN, while breedung injustices and violence against men, children, the unborn, and godly families. Please note that I am a woman. Never in my life have I encountered discrimination from men due to my being a stay-at-home mother, but I have been put down for this choice a lot by feminist women.

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    1. Excuse the typos, Bishop. Please, consider it in a quiet moment before God, not before men (and women) - God is unchanging, God is not object of evolution, God knew you and your "progressive" ideas before you were born, eternity is not linear, it is not a chain of causes and effects. Real progress is in shedding the flesh and becoming more Christ-like. It is not in becoming more carnal. I beg you, Bishop, do your job! Lead souls toward eternal God, not toward flesh. We need wise men to be Christ-like, obedient to God, we need them to protect us from the ever-expanding Luciferian system, where man is the measure of all things. John Paul II said clearly that a man's conscience can be ill-formed, from which it follows that a man can be erring in his deep convictions. Do not poison others with your own convictions, when they stray from the pronouncements of a merciful and just God. Do you believe in God, His Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit? Were you born again in the Spirit?

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  11. Fraternal correction: is the virtue by which we give counsel to the sinner out of charity, to lead them back to God.
    May I suggest the following prayer for you dear Bishop and you Fr. Bob;
    "O my God, fill me with the FEAR of the LORD, that I may accept Your correction and be formed in Your ways. Help me to repent of my sins, turn back to YOU and OBEY YOUR WORD. Teach me to love YOUR LAW, which is my joy and consolation. Amen"
    No matter what you say dear Bishop and how many goats agree with you, YOU cannot change our Lord's Words or His Teaching ! "...Heaven and earth will pass away, but MY words will not pass away.." Matt.24:35
    You may spread your poison like a vile serpent, and many may 'heed to your intervention' but you only bring damnation upon yourself and those you poison. YOU WILL NEVER, have the authority to change the Word of our Lord and Saviour ! Your authority by way of your Holy Vocation is to SPREAD THE WORD OF GOD, OUR SAVIOUR, HIS WORDS, Bishop HIS TEACHINGS, not YOURS and your twisted ideas. God Have Mercy on you !!

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  12. I commend you Bishop for the courage in expressing what I believe Jesus would support today. In fact, if he were to walk among us, I have no doubt he would invite BOTH men and women to become disciples of Christ. Some of the archaic opinions being shared are insulting as are the prayers suggested for you to recite in order to save your soul. Those who continue to see our God as a punishing one have closed their minds to the existence of a God who is all loving. It is easier to throw quotes and prayers of pleading than it is to dig deeper into the words of Christ and apply it to our modern world. If our faith is to grow deeper, it must question, challenge and seek solutions to improving and strengthening our Catholic faith community. God is inclusive and draws from all who have the capacity and desire to share his word and model the life Christ asks us to live. Continue to open minds to the inclusion of women deacons Bishop Durocher. Your speaking out supports young and older women and men who want to see our Catholic Church grow in numbers where young families see themselves in the lessons taught from the pulpit. We are running out of priests and the very solution is staring us in the face. Women and men deacons can lessen the load and be instrumental in helping the Catholic church evolve into a more inclusive environment. I applaud you and ask God to bless you as you continue your work.

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    1. Prayers are insulting ? Really? Our Lord is constant, He does not change with the times, He does not modernize. His words were relevant 2000 years ago, they are relevant today..The only people who want to 'modernize' the church, are those who cannot accept God's unchanging words. Why do you have such a problem with quoting Holy Scripture, here you can delve deeply into Christ's words. "..Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.." Mat.24:35
      Archaic, who is being insulting here? If fully trusting, believing in Christ's Church, in His Teaching is Archaic, then I am guilty as charged by you. God Bless you! I will keep you in my prayers.

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  13. It seems that the Archbishop is a little confused here. The synod on ordaining women is next year.
    http://ecclesandbosco.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/sunday-at-synod.html

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  15. http://www.catholicregister.org/item/21804-the-female-voice-needs-to-be-heard-durocher

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